For those aware of the strange noises my car was making on arrival at the NEC, Mike Taylor's diagnosis was correct and it was blowing at the manifold/downpipe gasket (thanks Mike).
As a general point this was a new S/S downpipe sourced from Christopher Neil, but is apparently the same unit available from other suppliers.
In refitting the downpipe it was checked and found to be fractionally shorter than the original and a slightly different shape.
Judicious application of heat resulted in better alignment but the exhaust system from the back of the downpipe has been pulled forward as a result.
A gentle warning then that mixing newer components with old ones might introduce some complications.
p.s. it is not noisy now.
Manifold blessings
Moderator: Board Moderators
- alanmoss
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2075
- Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:53
- Model: Celebration
- Colour: Marque Lotus Green
- Year: 1991
- Location: Burton, Staffs
Manifold blessings
Alan
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
- robertverhey
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 788
- Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:54
- Year: 0
- Location: Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Manifold blessings
Sj do a y-piece with a slip joint, might be useful to compensate for the changes up front.
Robert Glacier Blue '87 SE
- alanmoss
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2075
- Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:53
- Model: Celebration
- Colour: Marque Lotus Green
- Year: 1991
- Location: Burton, Staffs
Re: Manifold blessings
Thanks Robert. I will investigate that.
Alan
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
- Tanz
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2071
- Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 22:05
- Model: SE
- Colour: Calypso Red
- Year: 1988
- Location: Wolverhampton
Re: Manifold blessings
I have to agree with you as I replaced the two pipes that connect the rear boxes and could never get them to fit properly. They to seemed shorter than the original. Eventually it put a strain on an older part of the exhaust which broke. If you replace exhaust parts they need to be from the exact same manufacturer.alanmoss wrote:A gentle warning then that mixing newer components with old ones might introduce some complications.
.
Cheers, Phil
Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway!
Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway!
Re: Manifold blessings
I fitted a whole Double S system and it was too short. No particular piece was massively out but when added up it was nearly 2" out. I sent the Y piece back and they lengthened it to my measurements.
Original is best if you can get it!
Original is best if you can get it!
- alanmoss
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2075
- Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:53
- Model: Celebration
- Colour: Marque Lotus Green
- Year: 1991
- Location: Burton, Staffs
Re: Manifold blessings
Finally got myself organised and ordered a Y-piece from SJ as mentioned by Robert.
Just got to get it fitted now, but it looks the business.
Excellent service from SJ.
Just got to get it fitted now, but it looks the business.
Excellent service from SJ.
Alan
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
-
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 441
- Joined: Tue Jul 21, 2009 13:40
- Model: Excel SE
- Colour: Gold
- Year: 1990
- Location: West Yorkshire
- Contact:
Re: Manifold blessings
The aspect of new parts not being quite the same as old one's isn't a new thing. Some 20 years back I obtained an "own-brand" SS exhaust system from Christopher Neil's for the Eclat I then had. Can't remember now quite what was wrong but I do remember that it took a hell of a lot of adjustment to make it fit! Let's hope that the window frames some of us are after are right when they arrive!
John
John
Re: Manifold blessings
I have a Lotus Bits SS system will let you know if it fits soon
blast from the past!
- alanmoss
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2075
- Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:53
- Model: Celebration
- Colour: Marque Lotus Green
- Year: 1991
- Location: Burton, Staffs
Re: Manifold blessings
Y-piece with slip joint now fitted, courtesy of Gav at Unit 4 Vehicles Services in Burton upon Trent.
(I have known Gav for many years - he used to work at Peter Smith's for 10 years but set up on his own about 18 months ago. Recommended http://www.unit4vehicleservices.co.uk/).
All sorted and the exhaust is not now catching at the back. Thanks for the suggestion Robert.
(I have known Gav for many years - he used to work at Peter Smith's for 10 years but set up on his own about 18 months ago. Recommended http://www.unit4vehicleservices.co.uk/).
All sorted and the exhaust is not now catching at the back. Thanks for the suggestion Robert.
Alan
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
-
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 440
- Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 20:43
- Model: excel se
- Colour: vulcan grey
- Year: 1989
- Location: lincolnshire
Re: Manifold blessings
Thought I would resurrect this thread as one of the over axle pipes went completely last night, dropping the back box off as well.... Luckily that is ok but I will need to get a replacement over pipe and I know that the y pipe is a bit dodgy as well.
Can anyone shed some more info on the "sliding y pipe" by SJs. Does it need welding up once fitted to car or is it clamped tight? Car is 89 with later system. Will be replacing both over axle pipes and Y pipe.
I will at some point get a more free flowing exhaust as losing a silencer seemed to also remove the slight flat spot I had whilst slowly accelerating from 2000 rpm. I have L14 cams so maybe she just wants to breathe more. I was thinking, remove the centre silencer with a straight through pipe although I'm not sure this will give enough free flow?
Can't really justify the full big bore freeflow system as the money coudl be spent better on re-building the suspension. Musn't visit Lotusbits though as I can guarantee I will come away with one....
Many thanks in advance.
Ted
Can anyone shed some more info on the "sliding y pipe" by SJs. Does it need welding up once fitted to car or is it clamped tight? Car is 89 with later system. Will be replacing both over axle pipes and Y pipe.
I will at some point get a more free flowing exhaust as losing a silencer seemed to also remove the slight flat spot I had whilst slowly accelerating from 2000 rpm. I have L14 cams so maybe she just wants to breathe more. I was thinking, remove the centre silencer with a straight through pipe although I'm not sure this will give enough free flow?
Can't really justify the full big bore freeflow system as the money coudl be spent better on re-building the suspension. Musn't visit Lotusbits though as I can guarantee I will come away with one....
Many thanks in advance.
Ted
1989 Lotus Excel
1974 MG Midget
2006 AUDI A4 3.0 Tdi quattro
2008 VW TIGUAN (wife's)
2 Black cats
1974 MG Midget
2006 AUDI A4 3.0 Tdi quattro
2008 VW TIGUAN (wife's)
2 Black cats
- robertverhey
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 788
- Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:54
- Year: 0
- Location: Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Manifold blessings
It was a sliding joint held in place with a standard U clamp. That said, I just checked and SJ only seems to be listing fixed (non-sliding) y pieces at present, for SE and non SE
Robert Glacier Blue '87 SE
- alanmoss
- Senior Poster
- Posts: 2075
- Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:53
- Model: Celebration
- Colour: Marque Lotus Green
- Year: 1991
- Location: Burton, Staffs
Re: Manifold blessings
The one I got from Steve at SJS is part number SJ089S0017
This is shown as the SE model Y-piece and although the picture does not show it clearly it is the sliding one.
The clamp to tighten it is not included but these are not expensive.
This is shown as the SE model Y-piece and although the picture does not show it clearly it is the sliding one.
The clamp to tighten it is not included but these are not expensive.
Alan
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4
Excel Celebration, 1999 Mini Cooper S, Dacia Duster 4x4