Dampers
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- pistolpete
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Dampers
So what’s the difference between standard dampers and coil overs ? Is it just adjustment , ride height etc and can you really tell the difference on the road. I assume some of the aftermarket units are just dampers
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Re: Dampers
Coilovers are narrower than standard springs (something like 2.5”) and feel harsher than the standard set up although the car feels pin sharp, almost like a go kart. As the springs are smaller they have a higher frequency which leads to a feeling of greater harshness; also they don’t have the compliant rubber spring seats of the standard suspension. It may also be that the dampers have harder poly bushes than the standard rubber ones. The Excel was engineered to have a comfortable compliant ride with superb handling, but not to be a track car. Much of this feeling is due to the way rubber mountings and bushes are used.
As you say coilovers are height adjustable and dampers can be adjusted. The standard suspension can’t be adjusted, unless you use aftermarket dampers like Protechs.
I have had both coilovers and the standard suspension on my Elite bodied Excel and I much prefer the standard setup for the driving I do.
Cheers, Richard
As you say coilovers are height adjustable and dampers can be adjusted. The standard suspension can’t be adjusted, unless you use aftermarket dampers like Protechs.
I have had both coilovers and the standard suspension on my Elite bodied Excel and I much prefer the standard setup for the driving I do.
Cheers, Richard
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Re: Dampers
A little common misunderstanding .
The standard suspension is a coil over i.e a coil spring over the damper.
The standard set up is fixed in height and action.
Adjustable coil overs can be height and action adjusted.
The standard suspension is a coil over i.e a coil spring over the damper.
The standard set up is fixed in height and action.
Adjustable coil overs can be height and action adjusted.
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Re: Dampers
"Coil overs" is frequently used to mean a setup where the coil seats are directly attached to the damper, so the damper and spring comprise a single standalone assembly. The standard set-up on our car has coil seats mounted to the chassis and suspension arms, rather than the damper.
Standard setup:
Coilovers as supplied by Lotusbits - note the bottom of the spring is retained by an adjustable collar on the damper, rather than seating on the suspension arm:
Standard setup:
Coilovers as supplied by Lotusbits - note the bottom of the spring is retained by an adjustable collar on the damper, rather than seating on the suspension arm:
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Re: Dampers
The significant difference is aftermarket coilovers have small OD springs pre-loaded to the damper. This means the damper rod top mount becomes the only chassis location point, and not the spring. OE springs have a larger OD and are rubber mounted to the chassis. Which means less chassis location stress and a better ride than after market coilovers.
Edit : Richard beat me to it! doh!
Edit : Richard beat me to it! doh!
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Re: Dampers
I noticed that mike taylor is doing standard spec new dampers. That would be my choice every time going on the theory that Lotus really knows what they are good at. It took me 2 years to track down some new old stock standard dampers, its great that they can now be bought new.
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Re: Dampers
Its difficult because on one hand I have a track day set up coil over car( previous owner) which is not uncomfortable at all. But as soon as I have 3 passengers in the car , the set up is a waste of time. Also as you say if Lotus did it , it must be great but that was also 40 years a go, I am very temped to go back to the real thing if you say there available, but maybe we can also look at the handling at Castle combe....
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Re: Dampers
What an excel can do on track is very different to what they do on the road. I would like to take my car on track but Im too tall. When I wear a helmet I have to recline the seat so far back that I cant reach the steering wheel so let me know what you think.
The last time I took my MX5 on track (roof off) I was amazed that a jag diesel was keeping up with me on the twisty bits....until I realised that it was the electronics that were enabling it. The question is, which was better to drive on the road afterwards, thats where a cars handling is more important.
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The last time I took my MX5 on track (roof off) I was amazed that a jag diesel was keeping up with me on the twisty bits....until I realised that it was the electronics that were enabling it. The question is, which was better to drive on the road afterwards, thats where a cars handling is more important.
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Re: Dampers
It was more to be able to drive around a track watching a few other excels at the same time. Since I have never even seen an excel from a protestive of following in anther car. I'm sure that all the extra set up and adjustable coil overs will make so little difference, it will be worth the extra comfort and refinement on the road for the normal shocks
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Re: Dampers
Definitely go for comfort. On track - even with the Protech dampers wound up fully "hard" they were hopeless on the track - not because they are poor dampers - just that the suspension needs to be seriously firm to perform adequately on track.
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